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Dave Ramsey vs. Suze Orman on the 4% rule: Who's right?
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Dave Ramsey vs. Suze Orman on the 4% rule: Who’s right?

  • July 20, 2025
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The 4% rule in retirement has been a widely accepted retirement standard for over 30 years.

The rule states that you should draw 4% of your assets from your investments each year in retirement. This should, in theory, allow you to maintain a comfortable standard of living while continuing to let your investments appreciate in value.

However, it seems this longstanding rule could be poised to fall.

A recently retired caller to The Ramsey Show asked host and finance personality Dave Ramsey if it would be safe to go up to a 5% withdrawal rate in order to pay for trips he and his wife wanted to take in early retirement.

Ramsey has said he believes that retirees can earn up to a 12% annual return from mutual funds, and will therefore be safe to withdraw more than the standard 4% per year without jeopardizing their nest egg. He calls the standard rule “absolutely wrong” and “ridiculous.”

But another finance celeb has a very different opinion.

Suze Orman has called the classic 4% rule “very dangerous.”

Orman, a fellow best-selling author and expert, also called for a tweak to the 4% rule in an interview with Moneywise — saying that retirees should only withdraw a maximum of 3% yearly if they are retiring in their 60s.

Who’s right? Here’s what to consider.

Ramsey’s advice is based on a number of suppositions that may not reflect the real financial status of the average retiree.

Inflation will eat away at the value of your retirement savings, and it’s very possible that your retirement years could coincide with a period of higher inflation.

That’s not to mention the stock market’s volatility. Many experts believe a consistent 12% return, like Ramsey has optimistically said mutual funds can deliver, may not be likely.

Suze Orman’s advice, on the other hand, is more conservative. She advises retirees to withdraw as little as possible from their savings, which is a safer approach.

Either expert would argue that the best way to make your money last in retirement is to start saving as early and as aggressively as you can.

A gold IRA is one option for building up your retirement fund with an inflation-hedging asset.

Gold has historically acted as a hedge against inflation, and many professional investors such as Ben Mallah and Peter Schiff tout it as a solid alternative investment to the stock market and way to diversify your IRA as the price of gold continues to rise.

Opening a gold IRA with the help of Goldco allows you to invest in gold and other precious metals in physical forms while also providing the significant tax advantages of an IRA.

With a minimum purchase of $10,000, Goldco offers free shipping and access to a library of retirement resources. Plus, the company will match up to 10% of qualified purchases in free silver.

If you’re curious whether this is the right investment to diversify your portfolio, you can download your free gold and silver information guide today.

Read more: Rich, young Americans are ditching the stormy stock market — here are the alternative assets they're banking on instead

If you’re already in retirement, you may want to follow Ramsey’s advice on growing your existing savings with safe vehicles like mutual funds. However, many retirees have not considered the benefits of certificates of deposit, whose returns can now exceed 5%.

Between 2008 and 2022, when certificate of deposit rates were practically zero, and their appeal to investors about the same, they fell out of favour. But since the Fed started aggressively raised interest rates to combat inflation, certificates of deposits (CDs) have become a hot topic once more. And even though rates are slowly coming back down, these accounts are still worth a look.

A certificate of deposit is a low-risk savings account that could earn as much interest as a high-yield savings account, possibly more. However, to earn that higher rate, you’ll have to park your money in the account for a certain period of time.

Dave Ramsey is a huge advocate for finding new passive income streams to pay down debt and build savings. While much of his advice is focused on finding a lucrative side hustle, for those in their golden years, a more relaxed approach may be easier to incorporate.

Before you begin investing however, you need a plan. And while Ramsey and Orman make good points on withdrawal strategy, you may need help that's more tailored to your personal situation. If you’re unsure of how to navigate planning for retirement on your own, calling a professional give you some peace of mind.

Advisor.com simplifies the search process by connecting individuals with an exclusive network of fiduciary advisors, each dedicated to transparency and held to high ethical standards.

All you have to do is answer a few simple questions regarding your finances and long-term goals, and Advisor.com will connect you with a vetted expert near you who is best suited for your needs. You can then set up a free, no-obligation consultation to see if they’re the right fit for you.

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